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		<title>Sayyid Kamal al-Haydari: Sayyida Fatima (as) and the Imamate of Ali (as)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[another beautiful and thought provoking video by syed kamal haydari with english subtitles he was asked this question as to what is the difference made if we accept that imam ali asws was the 4h caliph; and he explains it<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3281&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another beautiful and thought provoking video by syed kamal haydari with english subtitles</p>
<p>he was asked this question as to what is the difference made if we accept that imam ali asws was the 4h caliph; and he explains it</p>
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		<title>AYESHA: AVERSE TO NAME IMAM ALI ASWS IN A GOOD CONTEXT: AUTHENTIC NARRATION</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we find in musnad ahmad 24107 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا عبد الأعلى عن معمر عن الزهري عن عبيد الله بن عبد الله عن عائشة قالت : لما مرض رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم في بيت ميمونة فاستأذن نساءه ان يمرض في بيتي فأذن له فخرج رسول الله صلى الله عليه و [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3279&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we find in musnad ahmad</p>
<div>24107 - <strong>حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا عبد الأعلى عن معمر عن الزهري عن عبيد الله بن عبد الله عن عائشة قالت : لما مرض رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم في بيت ميمونة فاستأذن نساءه ان يمرض في بيتي فأذن له فخرج رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم معتمدا على العباس وعلى رجل آخر ورجلاه تخطان في الأرض وقال عبيد الله فقال بن عباس أتدري من ذلك الرجل هو علي بن أبي طالب ولكن عائشة لا تطيب لها نفسا</strong> قال الزهري فقال النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم وهو في بيت ميمونة لعبد الله بن زمعة مر الناس فليصلوا فلقي عمر بن الخطاب فقال يا عمر صل بالناس فصلى بهم فسمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم صوته فعرفه وكان جهير الصوت فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم أليس هذا صوت عمر قالوا بلى قال يأبى الله جل وعز ذلك والمؤمنون مروا أبا بكر فليصل بالناس قالت عائشة يا رسول الله ان أبا بكر رجل رقيق لا يملك دمعه وانه إذا قرأ القرآن بكى قال وما قلت ذلك الا كراهية ان يتأثم الناس بأبي بكر ان يكون أول من قام مقام رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فقال مروا أبا بكر فليصل بالناس فراجعته فقال مروا أبا بكر فليصل بالناس انكم صواحب يوسف<br />
تعليق شعيب الأرنؤوط : <strong>إسناده صحيح على شرط الشيخين</strong></div>
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[musnad ahmad, vol 6, page 34; <a href="http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/89/3517.html" target="_blank">online link</a>]</p>
<p>[musnad ahmad, urdu version, vol 11, page 16-17]</p>
<p>only part highlighted will be translated here<br />
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<strong>Ayesha says that disease of holy prophet asws started in house of maimona, so he took permission from wives to spend time in my home; so they allowed him. So he went out taking help on abbas and a man; ubaid ullah bin Abdullah says that ibn abbas said that you know who that was? He was ali asws but<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> Ayesha was averse to name him in a good context</span>.&#8221;</strong><br />
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<p>sheikh shoaib says chain is isnaad sahih on condition of sheikhain</p>
<p>Sheikh hamza says isnaad sahih</p>
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<p>[Musnad ahmad, takhreej of ahmad shakir and hamza ahmad, vol 17, page 220]</p>
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<p>albany also authenticates the sanad in his book irwa ghaleel<br />
he writes after mentioning the narration<strong></strong></p>
<p>رواه البخاري ( 1 / 1 79 ) ومسلم ( 2 / 20 &#8211; 21 ) وكذا أبو عوانة ( 2 / 112 &#8211; 113 ) <span style="text-decoration:underline;">ورواه أحمد ( 6 / 228 ) مختصرا وزاد في آخره : &#8221; ولكن عائشة لا تطيب له نفسا &#8221; .<span style="color:#ff0000;"> وسنده صحيح</span></span></p>
<p>[irwa ghaleel, vol 1, page 178; <a href="http://islamport.com/d/1/krj/1/7/28.html" target="_blank">online link</a>]</p>
<p>it is also present in musanif abdul razaq</p>
<div><strong>وأخبرني عبيد الله بن عبد الله بن عتبة أن عائشة أخبرته قالت أول ما اشتكى رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم في بيت ميمونة فاستأذن أزواجه أن يمرض في بيتي فأذن له قالت فخرج ويد له على الفضل بن عباس ويد أخرى على يد رجل آخر وهو يخط برجليه في الأرض فقال عبيد الله فحدثت به بن عباس فقال أتدري [ ص 430 ] من الرجل الذي لم تسم عائشة هو علي بن أبي طالب <span style="text-decoration:underline;">ولكن عائشة لا تطيب لها نفسا بخير<br />
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<p><strong>[musanif abdul razaq; vol 5, page 429;<a href="http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/116/4389.html" target="_blank"> online link</a>]</strong></p>
<p><strong>and it is also mentioned in tabaqat ul kubra, by ibn saad</strong><br />
<strong><br />
قال عبيد الله: فأخبرت بن عباس بما قالت قال: فهل ندري من الرجل الآخر الذي لم تسم عائشة؟ قال: قلت لا! قال ابن عباس: هو علي! إن عائشة لا تطيب له نفسا بخير<br />
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<p><strong>[tabaqat ul kubra, vol 2, page 232; <a href="http://islamport.com/d/1/trj/1/61/950.html" target="_blank">online link</a>]</strong></p>
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		<title>The Holy Prophet (pbuh) cried and wailed for Imam Hussein (as)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another wonderful video from syed kamal haydari</p>
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		<title>The true meaning of Companion according to the Holy Qur&#8217;an and Prophetic Narrations</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a wonderful video by syed kamal haydari especially the last part where he hit at the hadeeth of ashra mubashra plz watch<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3273&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a wonderful video by syed kamal haydari</p>
<p>especially the last part where he hit at the hadeeth of ashra mubashra</p>
<p>plz watch</p>
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		<title>HOLY PROPHET ASWS TREATING BAD MAN NICELY AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO NICE MAN??? SUNNI NARRATION</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is a sunni narration from musnad ahmad let us see as to what it says Ayesha narrates that once a person came to holy prophet asws, and asked permission to come in; holy prophet asws permitted him and said that he is the worst man of his tribe; but when he came in, holy [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3271&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a sunni narration from musnad ahmad<br />
let us see as to what it says</p>
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<p><strong><span id="more-3271"></span>Ayesha narrates that once a person came to holy prophet asws, and asked permission to come in; holy prophet asws permitted him and said that he is the worst man of his tribe; but when he came in, holy prophet asws talked to him in very soft tone. When he left, another person came in, and asked permission for coming in; holy prophet asws said that he is very good man of his tribe; but when he came in, holy prophet asws did not pay him such attention; when he left, Ayesha asked holy prophet asws: you said such about the first man and talked to him nicely, and you did not do that with the second person? Holy prophet asws said: o Ayesha! The worst in view of allah on qayamat will be one whom people had left due to his bad speaking </strong></p>
<p>[Musnad ahmad, urdu, vol 11, page 343]</p>
<p>Sheikh hamza says isnaad sahih<br />
[Musnad ahmad, takhreej of ahmad shakir and hamza ahmad, vol 17, page 553]</p>
<p>Sheikh shoaib has said that hadeeth in itself is sahih except for the other person; and this chain is hasan<br />
[musnad ahmad, takhreej of sheikh shoaib; vol 42, page 148, narration 25254]</p>
<p>we see that molvi zafar iqbal tried to quote half of what was said by sheikh shoaib<br />
he just said that narration is sahih only to that part which mentions one person; however, as we see what sheikh shoaib arnawut said, he actually termed this chain HASAN.<br />
so why did molvi zafar iqbal try to hide the complete grade given by sheikh shaoib</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you would have heard this 100&#8242;s of times that people are fed with this idea that holy prophet asws had said this and so if someone cries for dead, the dead is punished; and this propaganda increases in moharram so let us see what ayesha had to offer in this regard we find in musnad [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3268&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you would have heard this 100&#8242;s of times that people are fed with this idea that holy prophet asws had said this<br />
and so if someone cries for dead, the dead is punished;<br />
and this propaganda increases in moharram</p>
<p>so let us see what ayesha had to offer in this regard<span id="more-3268"></span></p>
<p>we find in musnad ahmad</p>
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Abu bakar says that when rafi’I bin khadeej died, we heard ibn umar that dead is punished when his neighbors cry for him. I came to umra and told him so he replied that Ayesha said that holy prophet asws said this about a jew lady that these people are crying and she is being punished; then Ayesha recited the verse that none will bear the weight of others</strong></p>
<p>[Musnad ahmad, urdu, vol 11, page 31, narration 24616]</p>
<p>Sheikh hamza says isnaad sahih<br />
[Musnad ahmad, takhreej of ahmad shakir and hamza ahmad, vol 17, page -234]</p>
<p>We further find</p>
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<p>Ibn umar said that holy prophet asws said that dead is punished when his family cries for him; when someone asked this from Ayesha, she said that he has hallucinated, holy prophet asws said that people are crying where as he is being punished for his sins</strong></p>
<p>[Musnad ahmad, urdu, vol 11, page 84]</p>
<p>Sheikh hamza says isnaad sahih<br />
[Musnad ahmad, takhreej of ahmad shakir and hamza ahmad, vol 17, page 287]</p>
<p>Sheikh shoaib says isnaad sahih on condition of sheikhain [musnad ahmad, vol 40, page 347-348, narration 24302 ]</p>
<p>Yet again, we find</p>
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<strong><br />
Urwa said that once Ayesha told him that o nephew! Ibn umar erred in listening, actually holy prophet asws passed by a grave and he said that he is being punished due to his deeds and his family is crying for him; otherwise by god! None will bear the weight of others </strong></p>
<p>[Musnad ahmad, urdu, vol 11, page 178-179, narration 25144]</p>
<p>Sheikh hamza says isnaad sahih<br />
[Musnad ahmad, takhreej of ahmad shakir and hamza ahmad, vol 17, page 390]</p>
<p>Sheikh shoaib says isnaad are sahih, narrators are all thiqa and narrators of sheikhain<br />
[musnad ahmad, takhreej of sheikh shoaib; vol 41, page 181-182 narration 24637]</p>
<p>Again we find</p>
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<strong><br />
Abu bakar said that when rafi’I bin khadeej died, I heard Abdullah bin umar that dead is punished due to weeping of his neighbors. I came to umra and told him about this; he said that Ayesha said that may allah forgive abu abdurrehman, he is not lying but he has forgotten; holy prophet asws passed by grave of a jew lady on which people were crying, so he said that people are crying where as she is being punished</strong></p>
<p>{molvi zafar iqbal says that narration is sahih as per bukhari, muslim and ibn haban}</p>
<p>[musnad ahmad, urdu, vol 11, page 210]</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[it is english translation of this thread and this article one of the prophecies of holy prophet asws which comes in sunni books with authentic chains is &#8220;holy prophet asws said that a man named abdullah from tribe of quraish will do ilhad in mecca; and will get killed in mecca. and his sin will be equal to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3265&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is english translation of <a href="http://www.shiaforums.com/vb/f194/%7B-%7D-8515/" target="_blank">this thread </a>and <a href="http://www.valiasr-aj.com/fa/page.php?bank=question&amp;id=12963" target="_blank">this article</a></p>
<p>one of the prophecies of holy prophet asws which comes in sunni books with authentic chains is<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;holy prophet asws said that a man named abdullah from tribe of quraish will do ilhad in mecca; and will get killed in mecca. and his sin will be equal to sins of all jins and humans combined. and his punishment is half the punishment of all those in hell.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>the signs which have been mentioned get fulfilled on abdullah bin zubair, rather some of the companions of uthman also thought that it was ibn zubair</p>
<p>like we have this narration in musnad ahmad<br />
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&#8220;when uthman was surrounded, ibn zubair told uthman that i have fast horses which i can give to you and you can go to mecca on them; uthman said: no, i wont do this for i have heard holy prophet asws that a goat of quraish named abdullah will do killings and zulm/cruelties in mecca and his sins will be half that of all people&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>[musnad ahmad, vol 1, page 64; printed mususa qurtuba; egypt]</p>
<p>this narration tells us that uthman considered him to be the one who would be cause of ilhad in mecca<br />
albany tried to weaken this narration though it has been authenticated by haithmi</p>
<p>he said after mentioning this narration that<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;narrated by ahmad and narrators are thiqa; and bazar narrated it like this as well&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>[majma uz zawaid; haithmi; vol 3, page 285; cairo, beirut; 1407]</p>
<p>since name of abdullah is pretty clear, so albany tries to weaken it and he says<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;this narration has been mentioned by ahmad, bazar and ibn asakar; and haithmi narrated it from ahmad and bazar; and then he wrote that all narrators are trustworthy;<br />
but as regards to jafar bin abi mughari and yaqoob qummi, hafiz ibn hajar said that they are truthful but they err<br />
there are two other problems in this chain as well; first is that there is break between uthman and ibn abazi; and abu zara said that there is breakage from his narrations from uthman; and that is why dhabi said that in sair ul aalam nabala that ahmad has narrated this but there is problem in this narration<br />
and ibn kather wrote in al bidaya that this hadeeth is rejected and its chain is weak, there is yaqoob qummi in it who had inclination of tashayyu. and the narration which is narrated by him alone is not accepted. and even if we accept it to be sahih, still it does not mean abdullah bin zubair; because he was a pious man and had good characteristics; and gained government for the sake of allah, and he was the imam and caliph after mawia bin yazeed; and he was better than marwan for sure; and marwan fought him when all had accepted abdullah; and his oath was obtained from all areas; and his government was strong </strong></p>
<p>[silsila sahihiyya kamila; albany, narration 3108; as per maktaba shamela]</p>
<p>so he has raised three points</p>
<p>1- break between ibn abazi and uthman<br />
2- weakness in jafar bin abi mughari<br />
3- weakness in yaqoob bin abdullah qummi</p>
<div><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#ff0000;"><strong>INVESTIGATING CRITICISM OF ALBANY</strong></span></div>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><br />
1- BREAK IN CHAIN</span></strong></span></p>
<p>he said that ibn abazi, who is saeed bin abdur rehman bin abazi; and uthman, there is a break in chain<br />
it is an important allegation<br />
though he had termed such narrations which had these two narrators as hasan or sahih; but we would come to it later</p>
<p>however, this allegation in itself shows either lack of knowledge or an attempt to hide the facts</p>
<p>jafar bin abi mughaira has narrated from saeed bin abdurehman bin abazi; and also from his father, who is a sahabi. this is mentioned in tehzeeb ul kamal (by mizzi). so it means that ibn abazi in this narration is abdur rehman bin abazi; and it needs proof to see that there is a gap between abdur rehman and uthman (i am not much clear about the urdu translation of this part; this is what i could make out of it- slave of ahlubait)</p>
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<div id="post_message_35061">we see in tehzeeb ul kamal<br />
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958 بخ د ت س فق:<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> جعفر (3) بن أَبي المغيرة الخزاعي القمي</span>&#8230;. قال أبو الشيخ الاصبهاني: هو من التابعين، <span style="text-decoration:underline;">روى عن عبد الرحمن بن أبزى</span>، ورأى ابن الزبير<br />
</strong></p>
<p>[tehzeeb ul kamal; mizzi; vol 5, page 112; number 958; research by bashar awad maroof; printed by mususa tur risala; beirut; first print; 1400]<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;jafar bin abi mughaira; sheikh isbahani said: he was amongst tabaeen; narrated from abdur rehman bin abzi&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>ibn hayan writes<br />
<strong><br />
36 جعفر بن أبي المغيرة القمي من التابعين روى عن عبد الرحمن بن أبزي ورأى بن الزبير ودخل مكة أيام عبد الله بن عمر .</p>
<p>jafar bin abi mughaira who was in tabaeen; he narrated from abdur rehman bin abzi </strong></p>
<p>[tabaqat ul mohadatheen; aby mohammad ibn hayan ansari; vol 1, page 352; research by abdul ghafoor abdul haq hussein baloshi; printed by mususa tur risala; beirut; second print; 1412]</p>
<p>and isbahani writes <strong></p>
<p>جعفر بن أبي المغيرة القمي من التابعين، واسم أبي المغيرة دينار روى عنه يعقوب القمي، وحبان بن علي، وأشعث بن إسحاق، ومطرف بن طريف، روى عن عبد الرحمن بن أبزى، ورأى ابن الزبير، ودخل مكة أيام عبد الله بن عمر مع سعيد بن جبير</p>
<p>jafar bin abi mughaira who was amongst tabaeen; from him narrated yaqoob qummi&#8230;&#8230; and he narrated from abdur rehman bin abzi&#8230;.<br />
</strong><br />
[akhbar isbahan; abu naeed isbahani; vol 3, page 393]</p>
<p>so, this objection of albany is not correct<br />
and even if we suppose it is correct, still albany is negating his own rule since he has accepted mursal narrations of tabaeen; and saeed bin abdur rehman ibn abzi is tabai&#8217;i</p>
<p>let us see this <strong></p>
<p>أخبرنا يحيى بن عباد قال: حدثنا يونس بن أبي إسحاق قال: حدثنا أبو السفر قال: بينما رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم جالس هو و عائشة و أسامة عندهم، إذ نظر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فضحك ثم قال &#8230; فذكره.و من طريق ابن سعد رواه ابن عساكر ( 2 / 348 / 1 ).<span style="text-decoration:underline;">و هذا سند صحيح مرسل،</span> و أبو السفر اسمه سعيد بن يحمد،<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> تابعي ثقة</span> يروي عن العبادلة: ابن عباس و ابن عمر و ابن عمرو</strong> .<br />
السلسلة الصحيحة الباني، ش 1019</div>
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<div><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">OBJECTION ON JAFAR BIN ABI MUGHAIRA AND YAQOOB BIN ABDULLAH QUMMI</span></strong></span></p>
<p>he points that they were sudooq/truthful but erred<br />
but should this count as a weakness? he has taken narrations from these two in silsila ahadeeth sahihiya; and termed them hasan</p>
<p>for example we find<br />
<strong><br />
&#8221; كان لا يفطر أيام البيض في حضر و لا سفر &#8221; .<br />
قال الألباني في &#8220;السلسلة الصحيحة&#8221; 2 / 120:أخرجه النسائي في سننه ( 1 / 321 ): أخبرنا القاسم بن زكريا قال: حدثنا عبيد<br />
الله قال: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">حدثنا يعقوب عن جعفر</span> عن سعيد عن ابن عباس قال: فذكره مرفوعا .<br />
قلت: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">وهذا إسناد حسن رجاله كلهم ثقات </span>رجال مسلم غير يعقوب و جعفر الراوي عن سعيد و هو ابن جبير.أما الأول فهو يعقوب بن عبد الله بن سعد القمي و أما الآخر فهو جعفر بن أبي المغيرة القمي، قال الحافظ في كل منهما: &#8221; صدوق يهم &#8220;<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> و قال الذهبي في الآخر منهما: &#8221; صدوق &#8220;.و في الأول: &#8221; عالم أهل ( قم ) قال النسائي و غيره: ليس به بأس</span>.و قال الدارقطني: ليس بالقوي.قلت: خرج له البخاري تعليقا &#8220;<span style="text-decoration:underline;">.و أخرجه الضياء المقدسي في &#8221; المختارة &#8220;</span> (59 / 212 / 1 ) من طريق أخرى عنه</strong> .<br />
ألباني، محمد ناصر (متوفاى1420هـ)، السلسلة الصحيحة المجلدات الكاملة ش 580</p>
<p>[silsila sahihiyya al mojlidaat kamila; 580]</p>
<p>also, he termed a narration of yaqoob bin abdullah sahih as we find</p>
<p>744</p>
<div><strong>-<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> ( صحيح )</span></strong><br />
<strong>حدثنا أبو بكر حدثنا مالك بن إسماعيل ثنا <span style="text-decoration:underline;">يعقوب بن عبد الله القمي</span> عن حفص بن حميد عن عكرمة عن ابن عباس عن عمر ابن الخطاب قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم</strong><br />
<strong>أنا ممسك بحجزكم عن النار وتغلبون تقاحمون فيها تقاحم الفراش والجنادب وأوشك أن أرسل بحجزكم وأفرط لكم على الحوض وتردون وتعودون علي جمعا وأشتاتا</strong></div>
</div>
<div>
<strong>ألباني، محمد ناصر (متوفاى1420هـ)، ظلال الجنة، ح744، ناشر: المكتب الإسلامي – بيروت، الطبعة: الثالثة – 1413هـ ـ 1993م .</strong></p>
<p><strong>so there is no reason that he should be making this objection</strong></div>
</div>
<div></div>
<div>let us see what other scholars said about these narrators</p>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">JAFAR BIN ABI MUGHAIRA QUMMI</span></strong></span></p>
<p>scholars of 6 books except for muslim took narrations from him<br />
bukhari took narrations from him completely in al adab; and partly in sahih which means he is sudooq</p>
<p>ahmad bin hanbal terms him thiqa <strong></p>
<p>سمعت أبي يقول جعفر بن أبي المغيرة القمي وهو جعفر المصور<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> ثقة</span> وهو جعفر بن دينار<br />
</strong><br />
[al ilal wa maarifat rijal; abu abdullah ahmad bin hanbal; vol 3, page 102; research by wasi ullah bin mohammad abbas; printed by maktab islam; beirut; first print; 1408]</p>
<p>umar bin shaheen writes<br />
<strong><br />
167 جعفر بن أبي المغيرة القمي<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> ثقة</span> قاله أحمد.<br />
</strong><br />
[tareekh isma thiqaat; umar bin ahmad bin shaheen; vol 1, page 55; printed by dar us salafia; kuwait; first print; 1404]</p>
<p>ibn haban says he is thiqa<br />
<strong><br />
7048 جعفر بن أبى المغيرة الخزاعي يروى عن سعيد بن جبير روى عنه مطرف بن طريف ويعقوب القمى<br />
</strong><br />
[al thiqaat; ibn haban; vol 6, page 134; number 7048; research by syed sharaf ud deen; printed by dar ul fikr; first print; 1395]</p>
<p>dhabi had termed him sudooq without any condition<br />
<strong><br />
كان صدوقا<br />
</strong><br />
.<br />
[tareekh islam wa wafiyat ul mashaheer wa aalam; dhabi; vol 8, page 63; research by umar abdus salam; printed by dar ul kitab arabi; beirut; first print 1407]<br />
[meezan ul atadal fi naqd ur rijal; dhabi; vol 2, page 148; printed by dar ul kutb ilmia; beirut; 1995]</p>
<p>dhabi only had one problem with him, and that was in regards to saeed bin jubair<br />
<strong><br />
يروي عنه يعقوب القمي ومندل بن علي وجماعة وذكره ابن أبي حاتم وما نقل توثيقه بل سكت قال ابن مندة<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> ليس هو بالقوي في سعيد بن جبير</span><br />
</strong><br />
[meezan ul atadal; vol 2, page 148]</p>
<p>but this narration is not from saeed bin jubair</p>
<p>let us see the detailed view given by ibn hajar<br />
he says<br />
<strong><br />
165 بخ د ت س فق البخاري في الأدب المفرد وأبي داود والترمذي والنسائي وابن ماجة في التفسير جعفر بن أبي المغيرة الخزاعي القمي روى عن سعيد بن جبير وعكرمة وشهر بن حوشب وأبي الزناد وسعيد بن عبد الرحمن بن أبزى وغيرهم وعنه ابنه الخطاب وحسان بن علي العنزي ومطرف بن طريف ويعقوب بن عبد الله القمي الأشعري وعدة قال أبو الشيخ رأى بن الزبير ودخل مكة أيام بن عمر مع سعيد بن جبير<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> قلت وقع حديثه في صحيح البخاري ضمنا </span>حيث قال في التيمم وأمنا بن عباس وهو متيمم وهذا من رواية يحيى بن يحيى التميمي عن جرير عن أشعث عن جعفر عن سعيد بن جبير وقد أشرت إليه في ترجمة أشعث أيضا<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> وذكره بن حبان في الثقات ونقل ونقل بن حبان في الثقات عن أحمد بن حنبل توثيقه</span> وقال بن مندة ليس بالقوي في سعيد بن جبير وقال أبو نعيم الأصبهاني اسم أبي المغيرة دينار<br />
</strong></p>
<p>[tehzeeb ut tehzeeb; ibn hajar; vol 2, page 92; number 165; printed by dar ul fikr; beirut; first print; 1404]</p>
<p>so, we see that he pointed out that bukhari took from him partly in his sahih<br />
and tautheeq/trustworthiness has been accepted by ibn haban and ahmad bin hanbal</p>
<p>so, his weakness does not mean that he accepted him weak in narrating ahadeeth</p>
<p>and therefore, we find that he has termed his narration sahih as well</p>
<p>we see two examples<br />
<strong><br />
وقد أخرجه الطبري <span style="text-decoration:underline;">من طريق جعفر بن أبي المغيرة </span>عن سعيد بن جبير عن بن عباس قال كانت قريش تطوف بالبيت عراة يصفرون ويصفقون فأنزل الله تعالى قل من حرم زينة الله الآية<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> وسنده صحيح</span><br />
</strong><br />
[fath ul bari sharah sahih bukhari; ibn hajar; vol 10, page 253; printed by dar ul maarifa; beirut]</p>
<p>and another one<br />
<strong><br />
ما أخرجه بن أبي حاتم والطبراني <span style="text-decoration:underline;">من طريق جعفر بن أبي المغيرة</span> عن سعيد بن جبير عن بن عباس أتت قريش اليهود فقالوا أيما جاء به موسى قالوا العصا ويده الحديث إلى أن قال فقالوا للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم اجعل لنا الصفا ذهبا فنزلت هذه الآية<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> ورجاله ثقات</span> الا الحماني فإنه تكلم فيه<br />
</strong><br />
[ fath ul baari; vol 8, page 235]</div>
<div></div>
<div><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">YAQOOB BIN ABDULLAH BIN SAAD QUMMI</span></strong></span></p>
<p>albany said that he was termed &#8220;truthful but errs&#8221; by ibn hajar</p>
<p>let us see what other have to say about him</p>
<p>1- albany himself writes<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> و قال الذهبي في الآخر منهما: &#8221; صدوق &#8220;.و في الأول (يعقوب بن عبد الله): &#8221; عالم أهل ( قم ) قال النسائي و غيره: ليس به بأس.</span>و قال الدارقطني: ليس بالقوي<span style="text-decoration:underline;">.قلت: خرج له البخاري تعليقا &#8220;.و أخرجه الضياء المقدسي في &#8221; المختارة &#8220;</span> ( 59 / 212 / 1 ) من طريق أخرى عنه .<br />
</strong><br />
<strong><br />
dhabi said about him that he is scholar of qum; and nisai said that there is nothing bad about him; i say that bukhari took from him in taleeqat; and dia moqadasi took from him in al mokhtara (and he had said that he would only take sahih narrations; and albany had accepted that as well, as sahih or hasan)</strong></p>
<p>2- yahya bin moin and ahmad bin hanbal accept his narrations.</p>
<p>yahya was asked about ibn hameed; and reply was<br />
<strong><br />
قدم علينا بغداد فأخذنا منه كتاب يعقوب القمى ففرقنا الأوراق بيننا ومعنا أحمد بن حنبل فسمعناه ولم نر الا خيرا.</p>
<p>he came to us in baghdaad; and we took book of yaqoob qummi from him, and distributed its pages amongst us; and ahmad bin hanbal was with us; and we did not see anything but good<br />
</strong></p>
<p>[al jarah wa tadeel; vol 7, page 232; ibn abi hatima; vol 7, page 232; beirut; first print; 1271]</p>
<p>3- ibn haban counts him as trustworthy</p>
<p>[al thiqaat; ibn haban; vol 7, page 645; first print; 1395]</p>
<p>4- ibn hayan narrates from jurair tibri who called him as momin-e-aal-e-firaun<br />
<strong><br />
86 خت 4 يعقوب بن عبد الله بن سعد الأشعري القمي يكنى بأبي الحسن روى عنه جرير بن عبد الحميد وعبد الرحمن بن مهدي وعامة من أدركه من أهل العراق وكان جرير إذا مر به يعقوب القمي<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> يقول هذا مؤمن آل فرعون<br />
</span></strong><br />
[tabqat ul mohadatheen; ibn hayan ansari; vol 2, page 34; printed by mususa tur risala; beirut; second print; 1412]</p>
<p>5- tabarani said he is thiqa<br />
<strong><br />
وَقَال أبو القاسم الطبراني: كان ثقة.<br />
</strong><br />
[ tehzeeb ul kamal; mizzi; vol 32, page 345; research by bashar awad maroof; printed by mususa tur risala; beirut; first print; 1400]</div>
<div></div>
<div><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">CONCLUSION </span></strong></span></p>
<p>he had 3 points</p>
<p>1- that the chain is broken; but this is not valid point as we have talked in detail, and even if it is mursal, still he himself accepted mursal sahih narrations</p>
<p>2- his critique on jafar and yaqoob on the grounds of them erring; and we have seen that even ibn hajar did not bother about it as we saw in regards to jafar</p>
<p>so, even if still it is not counted as sahih, it still reaches the status of HASAN</p></div>
<div></div>
<div><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;">WHO IS THE ABDULLAH MENTIONED IN THIS NARRATION?</span><br />
</span></strong></p>
<p>three qualities are told to us</p>
<p>1- his name is abdullah<br />
2- he is from quraish<br />
3- he is termed كبش من قريش ; i.e, who wishes for fights, and interesting is the fact that the first thing he spoke was SWORD;<br />
<strong><br />
وقد روى الزبير بن بكار عن هشام بن عروة قال إن أول ما فصح به عبد الله بن الزبير وهو صغير السيف السيف</p>
<p>and it is narrated from zubair bin bukar from hasham bin arwa that he said that the first thing abdullah bin zubair said when he was child was sword sword</strong></p>
<p>[al bidaya wa nihaya; ibn kather; vol 8, page 340; printed maktaba arif; beirut]</p>
<p>4- he will spoil the honour of mecaa<br />
5- he would be killed in mecca<br />
6- imam hussein asws said that whosoever would announce his government (in opposition to other one) in mecca, will spoil the honour of mecca, and this hadeeth will be about him<br />
7- abdullah bin umar bin khitaab and abdullah bin amr bin aas told him not to do ILHAAD in mecca<br />
8- uthman considered that it is either abdullah bin zubair or abdullah bin umar</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><br />
<span style="color:#ff0000;text-decoration:underline;">LET US SEE SAYINGS OF IMAM HUSSEIN asws , ABDULLAH BIN UMAR AND ABDULLAH BIN AMR BIN AAS</span><br />
</span></p>
<p>1- imam hussein asws said<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;abdullah bin salim and madari bin mashal said: we went out of kufa with intention of haj; and reached mecca on day of tarwiya; we saw between hajar and baad, imam hussein and ibn zubair; we went near them, so ibn zubair said: if you stay in mecca, and announce government, we will help you and support you. imam asws replied: my father told me that a goat would destroy honour of mecca, and i do not wish that i am that goat.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>[tareekh tibri, vol 3, page 295, printed by dar ul kutb ilmia beirut]</p>
<p>2- abdullah bin amr bin aas said<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;i heard from holy prophet asws that a man named abdullah would do ilhad in mecca, half of the punishment of all world is upon him; by god! i do not wish that i am that abdullah; then he went out of mecca and stayed in taif; he went to ibn zubair and told him to be careful so that he does not become that abdullah&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>[sair ul aalam nabala; dhabi; vol 3, page 376; printed by mususa tur risala; beirut; 1413]</p>
<p>mohammad bin ishaq fakahi writes<br />
<strong><br />
&#8220;abdullah bin amr bin aas said that i heard holy prophet asws saying that a person named abdullah will do ilhad in mecca; and half of the punishment of whole world is on him; and then he went to taif saying that he does not wish that he is that abdullah&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>[akhbar mecca fi qadeem al dahar wa hadeethaho; mohammad bin ishaq fakahi; vol 2, page 268; printed by dar khidar; beirut; 1414]</p></div>
<div></div>
<div>3- abdullah bin umar bin khitaab told ibn zubair</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;o ibn zubair! save yourself from doing ilhaad in mecca for i have heard holy prophet asws saying that a man from quraish will do ilhaad in mecca, if his sins are weighed against both worlds, his sins will be heavier; ibn zubair also told this to ibn umar to be careful so that he does not become that man&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>[musnad ahmad, vol 2, page 136; printed by mususa qurtaba; egypt]<br />
[sair ul aalam nabala; dhbi; vol 3, page 376; beirut; 1413]</p>
<p>4- uthman bin afan thought that it is either abdullah bin zubair or ibn umar</p>
<p>the narration mentioned above in musnad ahmad, comes in more detail in tareekh madina damishq and there we find<br />
<strong><br />
ح وأخبرنا أبو القاسم نصر بن أحمد وأبوالعشائر محمد بن الخليل بن فارس وأبويعلى حمزة بن علي قالوا أنا أبوالقاسم بن أبي العلاء قالوا أنا أبومحمد بن أبي نصر أنا إبراهيم بن محمد بن أحمد بن أبي ثابت نا أحمد بن بكير يعني البالسي نا إسماعيل بن أبان نا يعقوب يعني القمي عن جعفر بن أبي المغيرة عن ابن ابزى قال قال عبدالله بن الزبير حيث حوصر عثمان بن عفان &#8230; اني سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول يلحد بمكة كبش من قريش اسمه عبدالله عليه مثل اوزار الناس<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> ولا اراك الا اياه أو عبدالله بن عمر</span></p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.i think that it is either you or abdullah bin umar</p>
<p></strong><br />
[tareekh madina damishq; ibn asaakar; vol 28, page 219; printed by dar ul fikr, beirut]</div>
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<p><strong><span style="color:#800080;">نا </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=15057" target="_blank"><span style="color:red;">أَبُو مُحَمَّدٍ الْحَسَنُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ </span></a>، قَالَ : <span style="color:#800080;">نا </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=24550" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">عَلِيُّ بْنُ عُمَرَ التَّمَّارُ </span></a>، مِنْ أَصْلِ كِتَابِهِ ، قَالَ : <span style="color:#800080;">نا </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=13831" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">جَعْفَرُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ الْوَاسِطِيُّ </span></a>، قَالَ : <span style="color:#800080;">نا </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=10053" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">أَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَلِيٍّ الأَبَّارُ أَبُو الْعَبَّاسِ </span></a>، قَالَ : <span style="color:#800080;">نا </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=6807" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ الصَّاغَانِيُّ </span></a>، قَالَ : <span style="color:#800080;">نا </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=808" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ الْمُنْذِرِ الْحِزَامِيُّ </span></a>، قَالَ : <span style="color:#800080;">نا </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=7238" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ فُلَيْحٍ </span></a>، <span style="color:#800080;">عَنْ</span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=6437" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">أَبِيهِ </span></a>، <span style="color:#800080;">عَنْ </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=3292" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْحَارِثِ </span></a>، <span style="color:#800080;">عَنْ </span><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=5328" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon;">عُبَيْدِ بْنِ حُنَيْنٍ </span></a>، قَالَ : بَيْنَا أَنَا جَالِسٌ فِي الْمَسْجِدِ إِذْ جَاءَ <a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/RawyDetails.php?RawyID=6457" target="_blank"><span style="color:#000080;">قَتَادَةُ بْنُ النُّعْمَانِ </span></a>فَجَلَسَ يَتَحَدَّثُ وَثَابَ إِلَيْهِ نَاسٌ ، فَقَالَ : انْطَلِقْ بِنَا يَابْنَ حُنَيْنٍ إِلَى أَبِي سَعِيدٍ فَأُخْبِرْتُ أَنَّهُ اشْتَكَى ، قَالَ : فَانْطَلَقْنَا حَتَّى دَخَلْنَا عَلَى أَبِي سَعِيدٍ فَوَجَدْنَاهُ مُسْتَلْقِيًا رَافِعًا رِجْلَهُ الُيْمَنى عَلَى الْيُسْرَى ، فَسَلَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِ وَجَلَسْنَا ، فَرَفَعَ قَتَادَةُ يَدَهُ إِلَى رِجْلِ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ فَقَرَصَهَا قَرْصَةً شَدِيدَةً ، فَقَالَ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ : سُبْحَان اللَّهِ يَابْنَ أَخِي ! أَوْجَعْتَنِي ، قَالَ : ذَاكَ أَرَدْتُ إِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ، صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : &#8221; إِنَّ <span style="color:green;">اللَّهَ لَمَّا قَضَى خَلْقَهُ اسْتَلْقَى ثُمَّ رَفَعَ إِحْدَى رِجْلَيْهِ عَلَى الأُخْرَى ، ثُمَّ قَالَ : لا يَنْبَغِي لأَحَدٍ مِنْ خَلْقِي أَنْ يَفْعَلَ هَذَا &#8220; </span>فَقَالَ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ : لا جَرَمَ وَاللَّهِ لا أَفْعَلُهُ أَبَدًا . قَالَ أَبُو مُحَمَّدٍ الْخَلالُ : هَذَا حَدِيثٌ إِسْنَادُهُ كُلُّهُمْ ثِقَاتٌ ، وَهُمْ مَعَ ثِقَتِهِمْ شَرْطُ الصَّحِيحَيْنِ مُسْلِمٍ وَالْبُخَارِيِّ .</strong></p>
<p><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:small;">&#8230;.Ubaid ibn Hunain said while i was sat in the mosque , Qatadah ibn al-Numan came so he sat talking to people then we visited Abu Saeed so we found him lying on his back and putting one leg over the other (right leg over left leg) so we greated him and we sat soo Qatadah raised his hand to Abu Saeed leg and pinched him so Abu Saeed said: oh brother, you hurt me, so he answered him: that&#8217;s what i wanted, because Rasoolallah (s) said : when Allah finisdhed creating he lied on his back and put one leg over the other and (Rasulallah) said: nobody should do this.</p>
<p></span></span><span style="color:#a52a2a;"><span style="font-size:small;">Abu Muhammad al-Khallal said: All of the narrators are truthworthy, and they all truthworthy according to the conditions of two Sahihs of Bukhari and Muslim.<br />
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<a href="http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=4125&amp;pid=293967&amp;hid=24" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0000cd;"><strong><em>Ibtal at-tawilat li-akhbar as-sifat, v.1, p.188-189, #182</em></strong></span></a></span><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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<p>It is very intereting that Albani considered this hadith extremely munkar. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  He attacked on Fudhail bin Sulaiman, the narrator of Bukhari and Muslim and his son Muhammad bin Fudhail. But they are not too weak to make the hadith munkar. They are sadooq as Ibn Hajar said. Fudhail made mistakes and his son had delusions. This is the view of Ibn Hajar.</p>
<p>Many of salafis usually say that we don&#8217;t take Abu Yala al-Farra&#8217;s views and hadiths. But the salafi fatwa center think otherwise. The question wsa asked about asma and sifat of Allah. After some information they say:</p>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="color:#000000;">وللاستزادة حول هذا الموضوع نرجو مراجعة الكتب التالية: كتاب (إبطال التأويلات لأخبار الصفات) </span><span style="color:maroon;">للفراء</span><span style="color:#000000;">، وكتاب (التوحيد وإثبات صفات الرب عز وجل)</span><span style="color:maroon;"> لابن خزيمة</span><span style="color:#000000;">، وكتاب (الصفات الإلهية في الكتاب والسنة) للدكتور </span><span style="color:maroon;">محمد أمان الجامي</span><span style="color:#000000;">، وكتاب (النهج الأسمى في شرح أسماء الله الحسنى) للشيخ </span><span style="color:maroon;">محمد الحمود</span><span style="color:#000000;">، وكتاب (منهج ودراسات لآيات الأسماء والصفات) للشيخ </span><span style="color:maroon;">محمد الأمين الشنقيطي</span><span style="color:#000000;">.</span><span style="color:#000000;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="color:#000080;"><span style="font-size:small;">To get more information on this matter please refer to the following books: Abu Yala al-Farra,</span> <span style="font-size:small;">&#8220;Ibtal at-tawilat li-akhbar as-sifat&#8221;, Ibn Kuzaymah, &#8220;at-Tawheed wa isbatu-Sifatir-Rabb azza wa-jal&#8221;&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><a href="http://www.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.php?page=showfatwa&amp;Option=FatwaId&amp;lang=A&amp;Id=63946" target="_blank"><strong>Source</strong></a></span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[let us see a very interesting narration nafi&#8217;i, slave of ibn umar, says that once ibn umar was going somewhere, and he heard songs and music of a shepherd; so he put his fingers in his ears; and left that path; and asked me after small intervals: nafi&#8217;i! is the voice still there? if i would [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3259&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let us see a very interesting narration</p>
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<p><strong>nafi&#8217;i, slave of ibn umar, says that once ibn umar was going somewhere, and he heard songs and music of a shepherd; so he put his fingers in his ears; and left that path; and asked me after small intervals: <span style="text-decoration:underline;">nafi&#8217;i! is the voice still there? if i would say yes, he would walk on, and when i said no; he took the fingers out of his ears;</span> and came back on the path; and he said that i had seen holy prophet asws doing it like this</strong></p>
<p>{molvi zafar says that it is sahih as per Albany}</p>
<p>[musnad ahmad, urdu, vol 3, page 27]</p>
<p>Sheikh shoaib says hadeeth is hasan [8/132/4535]</p>
<p>This narration is also present in urdu version, vol 11, page 128</p>
<p>very interesting in deed<br />
if listening to that songs was bad; and ibn umar was interested in acting on sunnah; why getting so selfish?<br />
why not tell this thing to nafii before that the sunnah in this regard is this; and this is bad to hear these songs</p>
<p>but, still we have another interesting drama in there<br />
he would ask nafi&#8217;i; are songs there? and he would say yes&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;he continued putting it in his ears;;; and when he said no; he took the fingers out</p>
<p>so he was able to hear <img title="huh" src="http://www.shiaforums.com/vb/images/smilies/huh.gif" alt="" border="0" /></p>
<p>so was it just a drama to impress people or what?</p>
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		<title>do not praise, or your mouth gets filled with mud/soil</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[another interesting narration from ibn umar we find in musnad ahmad ata says that once a person praised ibn umar, so he started putting soil/mud in his mouth ; and then he said: i heard holy prophet asws saying that if someone praises you, fill his mouth with soil {molvi zafar says it is sahih as [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ahlubait.wordpress.com&amp;blog=11764132&amp;post=3255&amp;subd=ahlubait&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another interesting narration from ibn umar<br />
we find in musnad ahmad</p>
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ata says that once a person praised ibn umar, so he started putting soil/mud in his mouth <img title="sick" src="http://www.shiaforums.com/vb/images/smilies/th_sick.gif" alt="" border="0" />; and then he said: i heard holy prophet asws saying that if someone praises you, fill his mouth with soil</strong></p>
<p>{molvi zafar says it is sahih as per ibn haban and sheikh shoaib says sahih with support of others}</p>
<p>[musnad ahmad, urdu, vol 3, page 300]</p>
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