after i wrote this article,
nawasib replied, and that is really funny

let us see what they are writing now

let us start

they said


So as you can see he is citing this hadith as a proof that Abu Huraira was liar.

no, i was not citing this hadeeth as a proof of him being liar, i had said

let me copy paste from wilayat.net

since nawasib talked about the fact that since others are also accused of lies, so this should not affect the credibility of abu huraira, so let us actually see if abu huraira was actually credible ?

and after quoting this hadeeth from bukhari, i had written

now see what he said 

“The Prophet said,

now, be honest to yourselves, and think if there is a person who says “The Prophet said,

and he is deemed credible in the eyes of people of that era
would they ask him ever

“O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah’s Apostle ?”

of course, no

and rightly so when the answer which comes from the man supports their doubts about his credibility

“No, it is from my own self.” [confused] confused

that is the main reason why people did counter checked his arguments,

anyways, the nawasib then started off trying to defend abu huraira, and they said

Let us break this hadith to parts: 

Abu Huraira said: “The Prophet said, ‘The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents”. – This is words of prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam).

Then Abu Huraira give an explanation to hadith, and said: A wife says, ‘You should either provide me with food or divorce me.’ A slave says, ‘Give me food and enjoy my service.” A son says, “Give me food; to whom do you leave me?” – This is idraj in text of hadith. And it’s common thing which would be easily find in books.

So when people asked: “O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah’s Apostle ?”

He said, “No, it is from my own self.”

And his these words should be refered to explanation, and not a first sentence which is a hadith. So if he intended to lie, when he was asked, he would say: Yes, those are words of prophet.

what i cannot understand is from where did they get this revelation in the first go, that the narration needs to be broken down
how did he come to know about this thing that the people were asking about the second part, and not the first one
this is what he has to prove CLEARLY, not by presumptions ; because we do know that people did counter check him in totality;

because as i had continued in the next narration in my article, and also he talked of it in the next example,
that actually proves that people did not
i repeat
people did not deem him credible
and would counter check what he had said IN TOTALITY, and not in parts

let us see how they blackened their blog in their try to deceive people

This hadith is also not a proof against that companion, because if ibn Umar didn’t know complete version of hadith, that doesn’t mean that the one who knows that lied.

let me show u what i had written before quoting the narration so that u can see what i was intending for, and what they are trying to take it for

see what i wrote in my article

now, be honest to yourselves, and think if there is a person who says “The Prophet said, 

and he is deemed credible in the eyes of people of that era
would they ask him ever

“O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah’s Apostle ?”

of course, no

and rightly so when the answer which comes from the man supports their doubts about his credibility

“No, it is from my own self.” [confused] confused

that is the main reason why people did counter checked his arguments,
let us see another sahih example

this is from sahih ul muslim

Book 010, Number 3823:
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who kept a dog except one meant for watching the herd, or for hunting or for watching the fields. he lost two qirat of reward every day. Zuhri said: The words of Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) were conveyed to Ibn Umar who said: May Allah have mercy upon Abu Huraira; he owned a field.

the question is why people asked ibn umar about it?


the question still remains

if abu huraira was credible
why people counter checked what he said?

is this the nasibi definition of credibility ??

and we do know that ibn umar had said that abu huraira lied, and that comes to us with sahih chain
anyways
they continued

Sayidina Umar was strict in rebuking the people which erred in his eyes, and if these words are proof against Abu Huraira, we could remind to rafida the narration from sahih, where Abbas and Ali are arguing in the presence of Umar. Abbas there also used hard words towards sayidina Ali. Does it mean Ali was bad? No, simply they all were human which from time to time could lose their patience.


i really thought nawasib consider umar to be a farooq
is it so?? was he actually a farooq as per nawasib

ok, let us accept the nawasib plea that umar lost temper, and spoke badly; but why did he charge him 12,000 as is present in the sahih narration ??

if u make this excuse again, that this was lost temper
did he returned those 12,000 ??
can you please give us any sahih narration where it is mentioned that he returned those??
we have seen a sahih narration for fining him

nawasib then continued and said

As for accusations that Abu Huraira narrated maraseel, they are really funny. First of all it should be known that it’s agreed opinion between our scholars that maraseel of any companion is accepted.

well, ya nasibi

you say that your scholars accepted maraseel from any sahabi
right

let me gift you what i had written in my article

6854 – حدثنا الشيخ أبو بكر بن إسحاق أنبأ علي بن الحسين بن الجنيد ( ح )
و حدثنا محمد بن أحمد بن سعيد الرازي إملاء في الجامع حدثنا أبو زرعة الرازي قالا : ثنا المعافى بن سليمان الحراني ثنا محمد بن سلمة عن أبي عبد الرحيم عن زيد بن أبي أنيسة عن محمد عبد الله بن عمرو بن عثمان عن المطلب بن عبد الله عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه قال : دخلت على رقية بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم امرأة عثمان و بيدها مشط فقالت : خرج رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم من عندي آنفا رجلت رأسه فقال لي : كيف تجدين أبا عبد الله قلت : بخير قال : أكرميه فإنه من أشبه أصحابي بي خلقا
هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد واهي المتن فإن رقية ماتت سنة ثلاث من الهجرة عند فتح بدر و أبو هريرة إنما أسلم بعد فتح خيبر و الله أعلم وقد كتبناه بإسناد آخر
تعليق الذهبي قي التلخيص : صحيح منكر المتن

[mustadarak, imam hakim, with talkees dhabi, vol 4, page 490-491]
http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/22/491.html

abu huraira narrated:

I entered upon Ruqayyah the daughter of the Prophet asws the wife of Uthman, and in her hand was a comb. She said: The Prophet asws had just left from here a moment ago. I combed his hair. He said to me: “How do you find Abu Abdullah (Uthman)?” I said: “Good.” He said: “Honour him, as he is most in similitude to me in akhlaq.”

hakim says : This hadeeth is sahih in isnad, but doubtful in matan, as Ruqayyah died in the third year of Hijrah at the time of the victory in Badr, and abu huraira became Muslim after the victory of Khaybar, Allah knows best, and I have mentioned it with another isnad.

dhabi says: sahih but with rejected matan

ya nasibi! is this what acceptance is?

now, i had asked him a question in my article

let me pose it again

and we would also like to ask nawasib as well 

do you agree to the saying of abu huraira, that ayesha was busy with make up, and there fore she remained ignorant of ahadeeth?

now, nasibis did not answer this question, though he did not talk about isnaad
which is his favorite area

let us see how he replies to the questions

 

As for second hadith where he rejected objection of Aisha, he could be sure in things that he narrated, because he was eye-witness of them. Or may be issue was regarding any matter of jihad (for example), and for sure men companions could be much more knowledable in this than women. 

And Allah knows best.


just look at him

he is living in world of presumptions
and trying to make his followers believe

what should i call this?

PRESUMPTIONS FOR BELIEFS???

i ask you this question again if you are so fond of accepting the credibility of abu huraira

do you accept this saying

o mother! the mirror and the eyeliner applicator used to keep you busy from Allah’s prophet (s) and fixing / beautifying yourself for the prophet (s), and as regards to me by Allah nothing used to keep me busy from him.

is he true?

 

yes or no?

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