this is the summary of this thread by brother khair talab

first of all, let us see the definition of bada

“bada means that allah makes some thing appear by his will, which was hidden from people before; and that is against how people had estimated”

so it does not mean that something happens, and then allah comes to know of it, rather it means that it is known to allah; but it is hidden from people, and when the appropriate time comes, he reveals it

we find this in the sayings of ahlubait asws in the following way;

“there is no bada to allah except that it is known to him before it happens”

[al kafi, vol 1, page 148, narration 9]

similarly, it comes to us in another hadeeth that

“Al-Bada’ does not takke place to Allah out of ignorance.”

[al kafi, vol 1, page 148, narration 10]

now that it is clear that bada is just appearance of what is not known to us, but known to allah
the presumption and propagation by our enemies that it means ignorance to allah, is merely a lie



first we see this verse from surat ul araf,

142. ۞ وَوَاعَدْنَا مُوسَىٰ ثَلَاثِينَ لَيْلَةً وَأَتْمَمْنَاهَا بِعَشْرٍ فَتَمَّ مِيقَاتُ رَبِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ لَيْلَةً ۚ وَقَالَ مُوسَىٰ لِأَخِيهِ هَارُونَ اخْلُفْنِي فِي قَوْمِي وَأَصْلِحْ وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ سَبِيلَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ

[Shakir] And We appointed with Musa a time of thirty nights and completed them with ten (more), so the appointed time of his Lord was complete forty nights, and Musa said to his brother Haroun: Take my place among my people, and act well and do not follow the way of the mischief-makers.

the verse is evident that first, it was 30 nights
and then allah increased it to 40

keep in mind that shakir has translated the word “wa’adna” which means promised

so allah first kept it to 30, but later changed it to 40

so either the first promise would have to be termed A LIE
or we have to take the tafsir of ahlubait asws, and take it in the meaning of BADA


this is from surat ul baqara

142. ۞ سَيَقُولُ السُّفَهَاءُ مِنَ النَّاسِ مَا وَلَّاهُمْ عَنْ قِبْلَتِهِمُ الَّتِي كَانُوا عَلَيْهَا ۚ قُلْ لِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ ۚ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ

[Shakir] The fools among the people will say: What has turned them from their qiblah which they had? Say: The East and the West belong only to Allah; He guides whom He likes to the right path.

now, if you see the attitude of jews, they were actually pointing to the same thing
their objection was to the fact that what made allah change qiblah
and allah called them fools

even qazi thana ullah pani pati has said that

“jews criticized change of qiblah from bait ul maqdis to kaaba, and upon this, this verse was revealed”

[tafsir mazhari, vol 1, page 180]


it is present in sahih al bukhari that there had been bada to allah in regards to the nation of bani israel when he changed the fate of three people; two of them become disobedient again, so allah turns them back; and the one who remains faithful, he remains happy

[sahih bukhari, page 857, narration 2464]

whosoever is interested to see the translation of this narration, he can always see taisar ul bukhari, waheed uz zaman, vol 4, para 13, page 513-516, printed by taj company.

and this is what shias also believe

imam qastalani explains it further
he says

“it means allah knew it, and showed what he knew, and not that it was hidden from HIM, since this is not possible for him”

[irshad us sari, vol 5, page 424]



nawasib most of the times, misquote two narrations from al-kafi, and they are from book of hujjat, chapter pointing to and proof for imamat of ali bin mohammad asws;
that is, this chapter is proving the imamat and wilayat of imam hasan askari asws;

nawasib present 6th narration from it, and that has been termed majhool (a type of daif) by allama majlisi [miraat ul uqool, vol 3, page 389]

and the 10th narration which has been termed majhool again [miraat ul uqool, vol 3, page 391]

apart from the weakness of the chains
let us see what they are actually telling us

people had this presumption that only the elder son can be an imam; so allah gave death to the elder son so that it is proven that the right of making imam is with allah;
so allah made appear (that is death of elder son) which was hidden from the people; and thus explained that the right is with allah only


contributed by brother ali imran

shah ismail dehlvi explains the concept of qada-e-moa’laq in his book “abaqat”, under heading abqa no. 12, page 153, printed by majlisi ilmi, karachi

“whatever has been said in the world of unseen (ghaib), sometimes it is represented by the word QADR; and in the same way, the presence of that thing in that wold of unseen is called QADA; and what has been told above in regards to the meaning of qadr and qada, in the same meaning it is thought that there are two stages of TAQDEER/FATE; one of them is called MOBARRAM and other is called MO’ALAQ; mobarram means that there is no chance of any change in that, change is impossible and what has been desired in the unseen world, it cannot go against that; but in TAQDEER MO’ALAQ, there is something which is desired, however, there are chances that what is desired, it may not happen according to that”