{from work of brother master ier}

let’s have a look his saying…

Ibn Taymiyyah said:

عمر فقد استفاد علي منه أكثر مما استفاد عمر منه

Ali benefited from Omar more than Omar benefited from him


But he didn’t mentioned any proof for this claim! But we have many sahih proofs where Umar benefited from Ali, and it is well-know that Umar used to say: “If Ali Had not Been There, Umar Would Have Been Ruined”

There are several articles by brother Slave of Ahlubait on this matter, please read Knowledge of Umar, ijtihad of umar against quran and sunnat: sunni scholar and here is the article by brother Guided Umar’s disturbing fatwa etc.

And as for Abu Bakr, this is what he wrote:

والمعروف أن عليّاً أخذ العلم عن أبي بكر، كما في السنن عن علي قال: كنت إذا سمعت من النبي صلّى الله عليه وسلّم حديثاً نفعني الله به ما شاء أن ينفعني، وإذا حدّثني غيره حديثاً استحلفته، فإذا حلف لي صدّقته، وحدّثني أبو بكر وصدق أبو بكر قال: سمعت رسول الله صلّى الله عليه وسلّم يقول: ما من عبد مؤمن يذنب ذنباً فيحسن الطهور ثم يقوم فيصلّي، ثم يستغفر الله، إلاّ غفر الله له


And what is known is that Ali took the knowledge from Abu Bakr, same as in the “as-Sunnah” it is narrated from Ali that he said: When I heard a narration from the Prophet (s) Allah Benefited me with it as He Pleased, and when someone else narrated to me another narration I make him swear, then if he swore truthfully to me, I accept his narration. And Abu Bakr narrated to me this narration and Abu Bakr was truthful in this saying, he said: “I heard Allah’s prophet (s) saying: whenever one has done a sinful act he should purifies himself and prays, and asks Allah for forgiveness, and Allah will forgive him”


In another place he said:

وكان علي وغيره يروون عن أبي بكر، كما في السنن عن علي قال: كنت…


And Ali and others used to narrate from Abu Bakr, same as in the “as-Sunnah” it is narrated from Ali that he said: When I… “ (Then Ibn Taymiyyah mentioned the same hadith)


And he said:

وأيضاً، فعلي تعلم من أبي بكر بعض السنّة، وأبو بكر لم يتعلّم من علي شيئاً


Also, Ali learned from Abi Bakr some of the “as-Sunnah” norms, and Abu Bakr didn’t learn anything from Ali “


And by “some of the “Al Sunnan” norms “ he means the traditions which are in the “as-Sunnah”.

In another place he mentioned:

وعلي قد روى عنه واحتذى حذوه واقتدى بسيرته

And Ali narrated from him (Abu Bakr) and followed his lead and followed his way.


And in another place he said:

فأمّا أبو بكر رضي الله عنه فما ينقل عنه أحد أنه استفاد من علي شيئاً من العلم، والمنقول أنّ علياً هو الذي استفاد منه، كحديث صلاة التوبة وغيره


As for Abu Bakr (r) nobody reported that he took any knowledge from Ali, and what is reported is that it is Ali who took from him, such as the narration about the prayer of repentance – “salatul Tawbah” and others


And he added the word “and others“, but didn’t say who these “others” were?!
“Salatul-Tawbah” is the same hadith which Ibn Taymiyyah were repeating several times and we mentioned it above.

And it is not a secret that there is no narration in the Ahlulsunna’s books which Ameerul moumineen (s) narrates from Abu Bakr other than this narration, and they narrate this narration from a man who didn’t narrate anything other than this narration, because of this they only knew the man by just this narration.

al-Mizzi said:

أسماء بن الحكم الفزاري وقيل السلمي، أبو حسّان الكوفي. روى عن علي بن أبي طالب: كنت إذا سمعت من رسول الله… الحديث. روى عنه: علي بن ربيعة الوالبي


Asmaa b. al-Hakam al-Fazari and it was said al-Salmi, Abu Hassan al-Kufi. Narrated from Ali b. Abu Talib: When I heard a narration from Allah’s prophet… (and mentioned the tradition we talked above). Narrated from him: Ali b. Rabiah al-Walbi


And adh-Dhahabi said:

ماله سوى هذا الحديث

He has no other than this narration

Mizan al-Itidal, 1/256, #979

Let’s continue:

أسماء بن الحكم الفزاري الكوفي عن علي فرد حديث وعنه علي بن ربيعة وثقه العجلي ذكره الخزرجي , وقال الحافظ في التقريب : صدوق من الثالثة , قال العراقي : ليس له في الكتاب إلا هذا الحديث ولا أعلم روى عنه إلا علي بن ربيعة , قال البخاري : لم يرو عنه إلا هذا الحديث وحديث آخر لم يتابع عليه انتهى . ‏ الرواة الذين ترجم لهم المباركفوري في تحفة الاحوزي بشرح سنن الترمذي narrator #383


As we see, some scholars considered al-Fazari thiqah and saduq. But al-Iraqi said that he didn’t know anybody who narrated hadith from him except Ali b. Rabiah. Bukhari said: Only this hadith is included by him and no other following hadith concluded.

Except this, i’d like to use nasibi methods here: Asmaa al-Fazari has been mentioned by Ibn al-Jarud among the weak (Taqrib at-Tahdheeb, 1/243, #447) and al-Bazzar said: ”Majhul” unknown (Taqrib at-Tahdheeb, 1/243, #447).

But our answer is not about the authencity of the hadith, but its singleness.

See how Ibn Taymiyyah brags about this single narration, and they mean by this that Ali learned from Abu Bakr. Did he repeat this single narration many times to make it famous?

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