I had written an article, titled: Ali: The Guide – Hasan Sunni Hadith”.  Let me add few points to it, and correct few errors I made there, in This Article.

We would refer to the work of Ibn Hajar who mentioned in his Fath-ul-Bari, 8/376; who writes

أَخْرَجَهُ الطَّبَرِيُّ بِإِسْنَادٍ حَسَنٍ مِنْ طَرِيقِ سَعِيدِ بْنِ جُبَيْرٍ عَنِ بن عَبَّاسٍ قَالَ لَمَّا نَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الْآيَةُ وَضَعَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَدَهُ عَلَى صَدْرِهِ وَقَالَ أَنَا الْمُنْذِرُ وَأَوْمَأَ إِلَى عَلِيٍّ وَقَالَ أَنْتَ الْهَادِي بِكَ يَهْتَدِي الْمُهْتَدُونَ بَعْدِي

Tibri mentioned with Hasan/good Chain from Sa’eed bin Jubair to Ibn Abbass who said: When This verse was revealed, Holy Prophet (asws) placed His Hand on His chest, and said: I am the warner. Then He pointed to Ali and said: You are the Guide, and will Guide the guided ones after me.

Ibn Hajar further wrote

وَأخرج بن أَبِي حَاتِمٍ وَعَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ أَحْمَدَ فِي زِيَادَاتِ الْمُسْنَدِ وبن مَرْدَوَيْهِ مِنْ طَرِيقِ السُّدِّيِّ عَنْ عَبْدِ خَيْرٍ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ قَالَ الْهَادِي رَجُلٌ مِنْ بَنِي هَاشِمٍ قَالَ بَعْضُ رُوَاتِهِ هُوَ عَلِيٌّ 

Ibn Abi Hatim, Abdullah bin Ahmad in His Ziyadat-ul-Musnad, & Ibn Mardawia mentioned with Chain to Saddi >> Abd Khair >> Ali (asws)

who said: The Guide is Man from Bani Hashim

And some Narrators said that (Guide) is Ali (asws)

So, We see that Ibn Hajar clarified that It was Imam Ali (asws) who said that The Guide is Man from Bani Hashim.

Sayooti mentions in His Dur-ul-Manthur, 4/608

وَأخرج عبد الله بن أَحْمد فِي زَوَائِد الْمسند وَابْن أبي حَاتِم وَالطَّبَرَانِيّ فِي الْأَوْسَط وَالْحَاكِم وَصَححهُ وَابْن مرْدَوَيْه وَابْن عَسَاكِر عَن عَليّ بن أبي طَالب رَضِي الله عَنهُ فِي قَوْله {إِنَّمَا أَنْت مُنْذر وَلكُل قوم هاد} قَالَ: رَسُول الله صلى الله عَلَيْهِ وَسلم الْمُنْذر وانا الْهَادِي
وَفِي لفظ الْهَادِي: رجل من بني هَاشم
يَعْنِي نَفسه

Abdullah ibn Ahmad in Zawaid-ul-Musnad, Ibn Abi Hatim, Tabarani in Ausat, Hakim who authenticated it, Ibn Mardawia & Ibn Asaakar narrated from Imam Ali (asws) regarding This verse that He said: Holy Prophet (asws) is the Warner, and I am Guide

And in Words Guide: Man from Bani Hashim

This means Himself

Ibn Abi Hatim mentioned it in His Tafsir, 7/2225, and wrote

12152 – حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ الْحُسَيْنِ، ثنا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، ثنا الْمُطَّلِبُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ عَنِ السُّدِّيِّ عَنْ (عَبْدِ خير) «1» عن علي لكل قَوْمٍ هَادٍ قَالَ: الْهَادِ رَجُلٌ مِنْ بَنِي هَاشِم.
قَالَ ابْنُ الْجُنَيْدِ: هُوَ عَلِيَّ بْنَ أَبِي طَالِبٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ.
وَرُوِيَ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَبَّاسٍ فِي إِحْدَى الرِّوَايَاتِ وَعَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ نَحْوَ ذَلِكَ.

Imam Ali (asws) said: The Guide is Man from Bani Hashim

Ibn al-Junaid said: He is Ali ibn Abi Talib

And Abdullah ibn Abbas mentioned in One of narrations, and Abu Ja’far Mohammad bin Ali also said Like it

Here, Again We see that That the chain Runs like

Ali bin Hussin>> Uthman bin Abi Sheebah >> Mutalib bin Ziyad >> Saddi >> Abd Khair >> Imam Ali 

Please Keep This Chain in mind and Do compare it to the One mentioned in Musnad Ahmad, When We speak of it Later

And We find that It was the saying of Imam Ali (asws). And in Tafsir Dur-ul-Manthur and Ibn Abi Hatim, We see that Imam Ali has been referred to be the Guide.

Let us see Yet another Narration to Prove that It was the Saying of Imam Ali (asws). al-Moqqadasi mentions in His al-Ahadeeth-ul-Mokhtara, 2/287, Narration 669

669 – وَأَخْبَرَنَا أَبُو بَكْرٍ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَبِي شُكْرٍ الْمُؤَدِّبُ بِأَصْبَهَانَ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ رَجَاءِ بْنِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ بْنِ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ يُونُسَ أَخْبَرَهُمْ قِرَاءَةً عَلَيْهِ أَنَا أَحْمَدُ بن عبد الرَّحْمَن الذَّكْوَانِيُّ أَنا أَبُو بَكْرٍ أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مُوسَى بْنِ مَرْدُوَيْهِ الْحَافِظُ قثنا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَلِيِّ بْنِ دُحَيْمٍ قثنا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ حَازِمٍ قَالَ ثَنَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ مُطَّلِبِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ عَنِ السُّدِّيِّ عَنْ عَبْدِ خَيْرٍ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ فِي قَوْلِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ {إِنَّمَا أَنْت مُنْذر وَلكُل قوم هاد} قَالَ الْمُنْذِرُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسلم والهاد رجل من بني هَاشم (إِسْنَاده حسن)

With His Chain to Mutalib bin Ziyad >> Saddi >> Abd Khair >> Imam Ali

Imam Ali said: Warner is Holy Prophet and Guide is Man from Bani Hashim 

(Researcher said: Chain is Hasan)

Those reading it for the First time may be surprised as to Why I have been giving These Narrations and Sayings of Scholars of AhluSunnah which mention that It was actually Narration of Imam Ali (asws).

Well, The reason is, That a Nasibi website tried to capitalize on a Mistake I made Last time.  Let me Show You People what They wrote.

They write

عن علي في قوله { إنما أنت منذر ولكل قوم هاد } قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : المنذر والهاد رجل من بني هاشم
الراوي: عبد خير الهمداني المحدث: أحمد شاكر – المصدر: مسند أحمد – الصفحة أو الرقم: 2/227
خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده صحيح

SoA failed to provide the translation, so we shall be providing it instead.

The Messenger of Allah (salalahu alaihi wa salam) said, “The cautioner and the guide is a man from Bani Hashim.”

 

 

Now, I have no clue whether They intentionally tried to deceive People, or was it just in My Hatred that They did not notice it. But actually, There is Mistake in version given by dorar.net, from Where I took the Narration initially. But When I checked it in the versions Published by Mausasa-tur-Risala with Researcher of Sheikh Shoaib; and the one Published by Dar-ul-Hadeeth, Cairo; It is clear that It was Narration of Imam Ali (asws).

Basic Mistake in version given by dorar.net is, that They wrote it as

عن علي في قوله { إنما أنت منذر ولكل قوم هاد } قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : المنذر 

 

Basic Issue comes from placement of the sign ( : ); which gives the impression that Narration was from Holy Prophet (asws) as the site placed it after Him

Now, let us see the Version given by Musasa-tur-Risala. We find

1041 – حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللهِ، حَدَّثَنِي عُثْمَانُ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا مُطَّلِبُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ، عَنِ السُّدِّيِّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ خَيْرٍ، عَنْ عَلِيٍّ، فِي قَوْلِهِ: {إِنَّمَا أَنْتَ مُنْذِرٌ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ} [الرعد: 7] ، قَالَ: ” رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ الْمُنْذِرُ، وَالْهَادِ رَجُلٌ مِنْ بَنِي هَاشِمٍ

With loads of Respect for the Publisher, as They made it clear by placing Two signs which prove it to be Saying of Imam Ali. First is (:) and Other is (“). So The Translation is

Abdullah  >> Uthman bin Abi Sheebah >> Mutalib bin Ziyad >> Saddi>> Abd Khair>> Imam Ali 

Imam Ali regarding the verse Said: “Holy Prophet is the Warner, and Guide is Man from Bani Hashim

The version Published by Dar-ul-Hadeeth Cairo, is the Same, but with Difference that there is no QUOTE Marks there (“)

Again, I say that I have no clue Whether it was done intentionally or unintentionally by Nawasib, but They should have checked it. Here is the LINK from Musasa-tur-Risala. And Scan from Dar-ul-Hadeeth is given at the End of Article

They also wrote

Notice how this narration is different from the previous narration in which the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) says that the cautioner or warner is himself and that the guide is Ali, while this narration says that both the cautioner and the guide are the same person.

As we can tell from the context of the verses, the cautioner is the Prophet (salalahu alaihi wa salam) and not Ali, which means that he is both the warner and the guide that are mentioned in the verse.

 

We have showed to You that It is the Narration of Imam Ali (asws), and not by Holy Prophet (asws); and thus, saying that This Narration considers both to be Same person, is not correct.

 

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