let me share with you people proofs for sunni tempering, and their heinous attempts
in what so ever manner, to defend their cursed caliph, MAWIA
we find that prophet said
19795 – حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا عبد الله بن محمد وسمعته انا من عبد الله بن محمد بن أبي شيبة ثنا محمد بن فضيل عن يزيد بن أبي زياد عن سليمان بن عمرو بن الأحوص قال أخبرني رب هذه الدار أبو هلال قال سمعت أبا برزة قال : كنا مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم في سفر فسمع رجلين يتغنيان وأحدهما يجيب الآخر وهو يقول
( لا يزال حواري تلوح عظامه … زوى الحرب عنه أن يجن فيقبرا ) فقال النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم انظروا من هما قال فقالوا فلان وفلان قال فقال النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم اللهم أركسهما ركسا ودعهما إلى النار دعا
masnad imam ahmad
http://www.islamww.com/booksww/pg.ph…9&pageID=20664
abu barza said that we were with prophet in a journey, when we heard the ghina/singing of two men, and one of them was answering; and they were saying
the bones of my friend are apparent; because the war has been in between him and his grave
so prophet said: look as to who are they;
so he said fulan and fulan;
so prophet said: o lord! put them in fitnah and call them to fire
i am not talking about the authenticity of the narrations; i know these have been termed daif
but look, how the names have been hidden in these; and we are not told who these are
let us find who these are from another source
it is maujam tabarani
10970 – حدثنا أحمد بن علي الجارودي الأصبهاني ثنا عبد الله بن سعيد الكندي ثنا عيسى بن سوادة النخعي عن ليث عن طاوس عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنه قال : سمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم صوت رجلين يغنيان وهما يقولان
( ولا يزال حواري يلوح عظامه
… زوى الحرب عنه أن يجن فيقبرا )
فسأل عنهما فقيل : معاوية و عمرو بن العاص فقال : اللهم اركسهما في الفتنة ركسا ودعهما إلى النار دعا
http://www.islamww.com/booksww/pg.ph…8&pageID=13261
so, we find that it is mawia and amr bin aas
now, nasibis can say that it is not imam ahmad; rather it may be some narrator
since the chain is different
bla bla
but let us see how their books have actually changed
we go further
and find the same incident in masnad abu yala
7436 – حدثنا عثمان بن أبي شيبة حدثنا جرير و محمد بن فضيل عن يزيد بن أبي زياد عن سليمان بن عمرو بن الأحوض قال : حدثني أبو هلال : عن أبي برزة قال : كنا مع النبي – صلى الله عليه و سلم – في سفر فسمع رجلين يتغنيان وأحدهما يقول لصاحبه :
( يزال حوار ما تزول عظامه زوى الحرب عنه أن يجن فيقبرا )
قال رسول الله – صلى الله عليه و سلم – : من هذا ؟ قال : فقيل له : فلان وفلان قال : فقال اللهم أركسهما في الفتنة ركسا ودعهما في النار دعا
http://www.islamww.com/booksww/pg.ph…98&pageID=7681
i will not translate, since it is same; but again we see that their names have been skipped
but actually it was not the case
why i am saying so
the reason is that in al-aaali ul masnooa; sayooti mentioned the names
and he quoted abu yala
(أبو يعلى) حدثنا علي بن المنذر حدثنا ابن فضيل حدثنا يزيد بن أبي زيادة عن سليمان بن عمرو بن الأصل الأخوص عن أبي برزة قال كنا مع النبي فسمع صوت غناء
فقال انظروا ما هذا فصعدت فنظرت فإذا معاوية وعمرو بن العاصي يتغنيان فجئت فأخبرت النبي فقال اللهم أركسهما في الفتنة ركسا اللهم دعهما إلى النار دعا
http://www.islamww.com/booksww/pg.php?b=2021&pageID=382
look carefully, in the very beginning sayooti said it is from abu yala
and he mentioned the names as mawia and amr bin aas
well, that is not enough; and sayooti mentioned the chain of tabarani as shahid hadeeth
now, there was problem for sunnis
since the can change the name of narrators, even narrations
so they had to fight on all fronts
so one of sunni scholars
ibn qani
he mentioned chain of famous liar, saif bin umar tameemi
the one on whom syed murtaza askari wrote book even;
he tried to hide behind him
and he said
وقال أبو قانع في معجمه حدثنا محمد بن عبدوس كامل حدثنا عبد الله بن عمر حدثنا سعيد أبو العباس التيمي حدثنا سيف بن عمر حدثني أبو عمر مولى إبراهيم بن طلحة عن زيد بن أسلم عن صالح عن شقران قال بينما نحن ليلة في سفر إذ سمع النبي صوتا فقال
ما هذا فذهبت أنظر فإذا هو معاوية بن رافع وعمرو بن رفاعة بن التابوت يقول
لا يزال جوادي تلوح عظامه
ذوى الحرب عنه أن يموت فيقبرا
فأتيت النبي فأخبرته فقال اللهم أركسهما ودعهما إلى نار جهنم دعا فمات عمرو بن رفاعة قبل أن يقدم النبي من السفر وهذه الرواية أزالت الإشكال وبينت أن الوهم وقع في الحديث الأول في لفظة واحدة وهي قوله ابن العاصي وإنما هو ابن رفاعة أحد المنافقين وكذلك معاوية بن رافع أحد المنافقين والله أعلم
http://www.islamww.com/booksww/pg.php?b=2021&pageID=383
salih bin shaqran said that i was with prophet in journey; and he heard a VOICE (not song); so i went to the place where it was coming from; i saw it was MAWIA BIN RAFI’I and AMR BIN RAFA’YA
and they were saying
the bones of my friend are apparent; because the war has been in between him and his grave
i told this to prophet and he said
o lord! put them in fitnah and call them to fire”
and so amr bin rafaya died before prophet would return from his journey
so this narration has solved the problem and removed the misconception in the first hadeeth; in which there was single word (he means mawia); and this is the saying of ibn ul aasi; and he said that ibn rafaaya was one of monafiqeen; and mawia bin rafi was one of monafiqeen; and allah knows best
now, there is another problem as well
you may have solved on issue
that is
who are these two monafiqs? do we find them in any other narration?
plus, how is this possible that the monafiq who was with prophet in journey; how come he die before prophet returned to madina? was he still with them or not? if he was, where was he buried?
so
lies
lies
and more lies
from these nasibis
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August 31, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Tural
Mashallah brother. I am translating your articles into my own language. Make them halaal.
September 1, 2010 at 2:34 am
slave of ahlubait
salam
brother, you are all free to use any material on my blog
you can translate and even publish it
i have no objection to any one using my research
i also take help from other people
and they never charge me
we all do this for the sake of ahlubait asws
since we all are slaves of ahlubait
keep in mind that what you are doing, this does make you a slave of ahlubait as well
and therefore, this blog is all yours 🙂
continue working
and a day will come when your work will be huge
also, if you see i have translated the book khasais e ali
u can see that in books in pages
you can also translate that
it is a huge and unique project which i have done
keep me in prayers
ya ali madad
September 1, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Tural
May Allah help you n your work. I have seen your project of authentication Khasais Ali (a). I will translate them too. That is great work!
I have no friend which know arabic. And i translate only from english. I know that Sayyed Ali Milani have great work by name Muhazeeratun fil-etigaadaat. And in aqaed.com there is full of this work. And the same time little parts from this work. More than 30 theme. It would be better if somebody translate them little by little. Every theme is about 10 A4 page. Some of them are bigger.
One of the most interesting projects is Jafar Soobhani’s work about distortions in history, hadith, poem books…. Here it is
http://www.ansarweb.net/special/t7reefat/index.html
It will be great if you and friends translate them into english. Only 12-13 topics. And many of them is very little but effective. Super work by dear Allamah Jafaar Soobhani.